1 00:00:41,079 --> 00:00:52,040 this is kjc our Jimmy search radio 2 00:01:36,720 --> 00:00:54,450 Queens of the Stone Age you listen to 3 00:01:47,470 --> 00:01:41,740 alright I'm ready ready we got him let's 4 00:01:52,270 --> 00:01:47,480 go alright welcome back let's get this 5 00:01:54,180 --> 00:01:52,280 one cracking this is fade to black only 6 00:01:58,450 --> 00:01:54,190 on the dark matter radio network 7 00:01:59,710 --> 00:01:58,460 misspoke radio for the masses shoot me 8 00:02:02,190 --> 00:01:59,720 an email right now to Jimmy at jimmy 9 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:02,200 church radio.com got anything for Eric 10 00:02:08,290 --> 00:02:06,650 I'll try to squeeze it in there follow 11 00:02:11,730 --> 00:02:08,300 us on twitter at chase Hertz radio 12 00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:11,740 TweetDeck as always blowing up it's good 13 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:16,910 special Friday's show Wow 14 00:02:23,490 --> 00:02:18,530 I'm excited man my heart's kind of 15 00:02:28,150 --> 00:02:23,500 pumpin I got a I got a relax oh man 16 00:02:30,550 --> 00:02:28,160 all right Erich von däniken was educated 17 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:30,560 at the college st. Michael in Freiburg 18 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:32,930 where he already as a student he 19 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:35,209 occupied his time with the study of the 20 00:02:42,100 --> 00:02:38,810 ancient holy writings while managing 21 00:02:44,590 --> 00:02:42,110 director of a Swiss 5-star hotel he 22 00:02:48,910 --> 00:02:44,600 wrote his first book called Chariots of 23 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:48,920 the Gods changed the world which was an 24 00:02:53,770 --> 00:02:50,810 immediate bestseller in the United 25 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:53,780 States Germany and later in 38 other 26 00:02:58,660 --> 00:02:56,330 countries in the United States Erich von 27 00:03:00,310 --> 00:02:58,670 däniken one instant fame as a result of 28 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:00,320 the television special in search of 29 00:03:05,830 --> 00:03:03,050 ancient astronauts based upon his first 30 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:05,840 book in 1993 the German television 31 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:09,530 station stat1 started a twenty five part 32 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:12,290 TV series with and by Erich von däniken 33 00:03:18,430 --> 00:03:15,050 entitled pathways of the gods 34 00:03:21,220 --> 00:03:18,440 in 1996 the American TV company ABC 35 00:03:23,380 --> 00:03:21,230 produced a one-hour special filmed all 36 00:03:26,199 --> 00:03:23,390 over the world entitled Chariots of the 37 00:03:28,420 --> 00:03:26,209 Gods the mysteries continue this film 38 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:28,430 was broadcast on ABC network on 39 00:03:35,229 --> 00:03:32,810 September 26 1996 in 1997 ABC produced 40 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:35,239 another documentary with von Daniken 41 00:03:41,140 --> 00:03:37,730 seen on the Discovery Channel and then 42 00:03:44,610 --> 00:03:41,150 in Germany the biggest TV network RTL 43 00:03:47,620 --> 00:03:44,620 showed the film on November 26 1996 44 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:47,630 seven point seven million viewers in 45 00:03:52,460 --> 00:03:49,650 Germany alone watched the 46 00:03:56,030 --> 00:03:52,470 program today Erich von däniken 47 00:03:58,039 --> 00:03:56,040 continues his filming with ABC and RTL I 48 00:04:01,970 --> 00:03:58,049 would like to welcome to the program 49 00:04:04,729 --> 00:04:01,980 very humbly live from Switzerland mr. 50 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:04,739 Erich von däniken Eric are you with us 51 00:04:09,259 --> 00:04:07,530 sir of course I am with you I'm sitting 52 00:04:11,149 --> 00:04:09,269 in Switzerland in the Swiss mountains 53 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:11,159 and at the moment it's cold and frozen 54 00:04:18,499 --> 00:04:14,010 it doesn't look like summer does the 55 00:04:21,710 --> 00:04:18,509 snow ever go away in Switzerland not at 56 00:04:23,930 --> 00:04:21,720 the Alps but which is higher than 3000 57 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:23,940 meters there are the glaciers they are 58 00:04:29,779 --> 00:04:27,570 still there it just does it does it ever 59 00:04:33,020 --> 00:04:29,789 would you ever put on shorts you don't 60 00:04:35,510 --> 00:04:33,030 do you it's it's yes we do when when we 61 00:04:38,390 --> 00:04:35,520 have a real summer but the last summer 62 00:04:40,189 --> 00:04:38,400 and this summer at least until today is 63 00:04:44,540 --> 00:04:40,199 not a ring somewhere it's cold 64 00:04:50,710 --> 00:04:44,550 so so much for global warming as they 65 00:04:52,969 --> 00:04:50,720 say right now a couple of things and 66 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:52,979 again we were talking before the show 67 00:04:59,240 --> 00:04:55,849 this is just a free-form conversation 68 00:05:02,420 --> 00:04:59,250 between friends and wherever we start 69 00:05:05,350 --> 00:05:02,430 and wherever we finish is what we do so 70 00:05:11,659 --> 00:05:05,360 are you ready to go yes I'm ready to go 71 00:05:16,370 --> 00:05:11,669 are you surprised about the fascination 72 00:05:19,879 --> 00:05:16,380 with society today and the ancient alien 73 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:19,889 phenomenon when your book first was 74 00:05:24,950 --> 00:05:21,330 introduced tonight and first published 75 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:24,960 in 1968 it took the world by storm and 76 00:05:31,790 --> 00:05:28,770 it hasn't really stopped has it now it 77 00:05:34,700 --> 00:05:31,800 never stopped because there are always 78 00:05:37,909 --> 00:05:34,710 new information coming you see always 79 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:37,919 new temples somewhere in the desert or 80 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:41,250 in the jungle are discovered always new 81 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:44,370 old writings are translated so it's a 82 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:46,889 neverending story each months 83 00:05:53,659 --> 00:05:49,650 practically new informations land on my 84 00:05:55,909 --> 00:05:53,669 desk do you think the Internet has a lot 85 00:05:59,269 --> 00:05:55,919 to do with that to where everybody can 86 00:06:00,950 --> 00:05:59,279 go and study and research and find out 87 00:06:03,110 --> 00:06:00,960 fascinating things on their own 88 00:06:03,410 --> 00:06:03,120 well they've initely yes because the 89 00:06:05,180 --> 00:06:03,420 common 90 00:06:07,820 --> 00:06:05,190 education is much easier now with the 91 00:06:09,820 --> 00:06:07,830 internet than it was before but on the 92 00:06:13,010 --> 00:06:09,830 other side there is a certain danger 93 00:06:15,260 --> 00:06:13,020 because as it was in the newspapers in 94 00:06:18,170 --> 00:06:15,270 earlier days it's with the Internet 95 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:18,180 not only the truth in the Internet 96 00:06:24,740 --> 00:06:21,570 sometimes also life oh absolutely 97 00:06:28,010 --> 00:06:24,750 and when you're you just touched upon it 98 00:06:31,310 --> 00:06:28,020 when your book came out you chose to 99 00:06:34,300 --> 00:06:31,320 write after the book put out the the the 100 00:06:37,430 --> 00:06:34,310 fabulous movie Chariots of the Gods and 101 00:06:41,420 --> 00:06:37,440 that was the only thing that you could 102 00:06:43,700 --> 00:06:41,430 do then and it's still its popularity I 103 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:43,710 can't imagine how long that movie was in 104 00:06:49,010 --> 00:06:46,010 the theaters but it was a long long time 105 00:06:52,340 --> 00:06:49,020 yeah true and in the meantime we have 106 00:06:55,070 --> 00:06:52,350 the television as you mentioned jest we 107 00:06:57,770 --> 00:06:55,080 have this fantastic series ancient 108 00:07:02,090 --> 00:06:57,780 aliens from the History Channel and I'm 109 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:02,100 very happy about this yeah and and with 110 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:04,530 ancient aliens the first season I 111 00:07:10,700 --> 00:07:07,290 couldn't believe what I was seeing on TV 112 00:07:14,090 --> 00:07:10,710 was just like finally mainstream media 113 00:07:16,820 --> 00:07:14,100 is is paying attention to this but that 114 00:07:20,870 --> 00:07:16,830 series which is now in its seventh 115 00:07:23,570 --> 00:07:20,880 season soon to be eight or nine has it's 116 00:07:25,580 --> 00:07:23,580 like number one right now on cable and 117 00:07:28,970 --> 00:07:25,590 are you surprised with that success 118 00:07:33,020 --> 00:07:28,980 because it is huge well I am surprised 119 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:33,030 that it happens worldwide except in the 120 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:35,730 German world you see ancient aliens I 121 00:07:40,850 --> 00:07:38,250 have some French in South America I have 122 00:07:42,860 --> 00:07:40,860 some friends in Singapore they called me 123 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:42,870 and they say Eric we are just looking to 124 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:44,970 Angela aliens but here in the 125 00:07:50,150 --> 00:07:47,130 german-speaking world you cannot see it 126 00:07:52,220 --> 00:07:50,160 except if you look at it through Google 127 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:52,230 then it works and I'm absolutely 128 00:07:58,430 --> 00:07:55,410 surprised I'm happy about it why why is 129 00:08:01,820 --> 00:07:58,440 that why wouldn't it be in Germany or 130 00:08:05,060 --> 00:08:01,830 Switzerland you see here we have a 131 00:08:07,540 --> 00:08:05,070 special society from the scientific 132 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:07,550 community they always want to be 133 00:08:12,890 --> 00:08:10,050 reasonable which I understand a 134 00:08:16,850 --> 00:08:12,900 scientist has to be reasonable and for 135 00:08:19,490 --> 00:08:16,860 them it's still unreasonable that 136 00:08:22,219 --> 00:08:19,500 the rest should be here thousands of 137 00:08:24,379 --> 00:08:22,229 years ago for them it makes no sense 138 00:08:27,980 --> 00:08:24,389 that some extraterrestrials had the 139 00:08:31,070 --> 00:08:27,990 possibility to travel the distances from 140 00:08:33,259 --> 00:08:31,080 star to star for them it makes no sense 141 00:08:37,069 --> 00:08:33,269 that extraterrestrials may have looked 142 00:08:39,019 --> 00:08:37,079 similar than humans so for the people 143 00:08:41,089 --> 00:08:39,029 who want to be serious for the people 144 00:08:43,550 --> 00:08:41,099 who want to be reasonable it makes not 145 00:08:45,380 --> 00:08:43,560 much sense and there is a lake in 146 00:08:47,930 --> 00:08:45,390 discussion here in the german-speaking 147 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:47,940 world we are really different than the 148 00:08:52,610 --> 00:08:50,370 Americans the Americans are definitely 149 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:52,620 much open up to all these things in 150 00:08:57,560 --> 00:08:54,510 America you can discuss all these things 151 00:08:59,569 --> 00:08:57,570 you can be pro or you can be against it 152 00:09:02,060 --> 00:08:59,579 doesn't matter but here they don't even 153 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:02,070 stop a discussion at least not in TV 154 00:09:08,509 --> 00:09:05,490 that you know that must really frustrate 155 00:09:11,630 --> 00:09:08,519 you because hearing that it just doesn't 156 00:09:13,910 --> 00:09:11,640 make sense to me part of science is 157 00:09:18,230 --> 00:09:13,920 discovery and you have to question 158 00:09:20,810 --> 00:09:18,240 things to to go and improve them and 159 00:09:24,769 --> 00:09:20,820 it's that kind of backwards isn't it 160 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:24,779 yeah exactly that's the way it should be 161 00:09:30,590 --> 00:09:27,930 here but in practice it's not so you see 162 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:30,600 a few weeks ago I just had some speeches 163 00:09:34,910 --> 00:09:32,850 in Czechoslovakia so in Czechia and 164 00:09:37,579 --> 00:09:34,920 Slovakia and there we were of some 165 00:09:39,889 --> 00:09:37,589 universities or in the United States 166 00:09:42,050 --> 00:09:39,899 sometimes I'm talking at in universities 167 00:09:44,350 --> 00:09:42,060 while in Germany you never talk in 168 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:44,360 universities you always talk in some 169 00:09:49,610 --> 00:09:47,610 bookstores or city halls or something 170 00:09:51,949 --> 00:09:49,620 like this the University 171 00:09:54,769 --> 00:09:51,959 it's just that they think now this is 172 00:09:56,980 --> 00:09:54,779 unreasonable we cannot discuss a thing 173 00:10:02,240 --> 00:09:56,990 like a refund any society in public 174 00:10:04,699 --> 00:10:02,250 easily change of course well it's the 175 00:10:07,250 --> 00:10:04,709 same thing with Egypt too you know the 176 00:10:09,310 --> 00:10:07,260 Egyptologists over there and anybody 177 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:09,320 that is graduated from the University 178 00:10:15,710 --> 00:10:13,170 cannot step outside of what is taught in 179 00:10:18,530 --> 00:10:15,720 the textbooks and as soon as somebody 180 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:18,540 suggests anything strange about Egypt 181 00:10:24,050 --> 00:10:21,570 you know they're crazy they're they're 182 00:10:27,199 --> 00:10:24,060 nutty and and they they don't want to 183 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:27,209 change at all it doesn't matter if it's 184 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:30,010 dates it doesn't matter about the 185 00:10:36,060 --> 00:10:32,710 instruction of the pyramids or or 186 00:10:38,130 --> 00:10:36,070 anything as soon as you question Egypt 187 00:10:41,150 --> 00:10:38,140 at all you're completely shut down and 188 00:10:44,450 --> 00:10:41,160 ignored at least by by the so-called 189 00:10:46,890 --> 00:10:44,460 Egyptologists you see here is a story 190 00:10:49,290 --> 00:10:46,900 some thousands of years ago it's about 191 00:10:51,270 --> 00:10:49,300 two thousand four hundred years back 192 00:10:55,140 --> 00:10:51,280 from now on the Greek historian 193 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:55,150 Herodotus was in Egypt and he has 194 00:11:00,480 --> 00:10:57,850 written two books about Egypt and the 195 00:11:03,450 --> 00:11:00,490 second book he says that under the Great 196 00:11:05,300 --> 00:11:03,460 Pyramid there is a lake so as he an 197 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:05,310 english lake there is a sarcophagus 198 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:08,890 covered by the water by absolutely clear 199 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:11,050 water and here the author says he was 200 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:14,850 there himself now a geologist never took 201 00:11:20,550 --> 00:11:18,250 Herodotus for true they said this must 202 00:11:22,590 --> 00:11:20,560 be a mistake or fantasy or whatever it 203 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:22,600 is impossible that under the Great 204 00:11:28,380 --> 00:11:24,850 Pyramid is a lake but in the meantime 205 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:28,390 this lake was discovered I was there I 206 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:30,970 made photographs in the clear water 207 00:11:36,450 --> 00:11:33,850 there is in fact a sarcophagus now in 208 00:11:38,820 --> 00:11:36,460 public you hear nothing about it about 209 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:38,830 this discovery you never hear that the 210 00:11:44,370 --> 00:11:41,170 old Herodotus was right and that our 211 00:11:46,530 --> 00:11:44,380 agita lodges were wrong the same figure 212 00:11:51,330 --> 00:11:46,540 Herodotus in his second book of history 213 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:51,340 he says he was in taped table sorry he 214 00:11:56,190 --> 00:11:53,770 was in table Haven is today's looks or 215 00:12:01,140 --> 00:11:56,200 on the Nile and there the priest showed 216 00:12:03,180 --> 00:12:01,150 him 241 statue when stopped you next to 217 00:12:05,930 --> 00:12:03,190 the other and the high priest give a 218 00:12:08,700 --> 00:12:05,940 short explanation to every statue so it 219 00:12:11,190 --> 00:12:08,710 said the names when he was living etc 220 00:12:15,510 --> 00:12:11,200 and at the end the high priest said 221 00:12:18,870 --> 00:12:15,520 these 241 status represent eleven 222 00:12:22,620 --> 00:12:18,880 thousand three hundred forty years at 223 00:12:25,620 --> 00:12:22,630 that time the gods from the sky what 224 00:12:29,580 --> 00:12:25,630 among the humans since their time they 225 00:12:32,430 --> 00:12:29,590 have never come back now Egypt info for 226 00:12:35,970 --> 00:12:32,440 Egyptologist the history of Egypt begins 227 00:12:38,370 --> 00:12:35,980 about 3000 BC so hereabouts figure of 228 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:38,380 eleven thousand four hundred years makes 229 00:12:43,810 --> 00:12:41,050 no sense to it technologies but I'm 230 00:12:45,730 --> 00:12:43,820 afraid I I guess 231 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:45,740 the old historian herodotus was right 232 00:12:52,060 --> 00:12:48,890 and that we are wrong well exactly and 233 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:52,070 with with gobekli tepe and you touched 234 00:12:57,130 --> 00:12:54,050 on the magic number there i mean it's 235 00:13:01,600 --> 00:12:57,140 always a 3000 bc 3000 bc that's the 236 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:01,610 start of everything 3000 bc when we now 237 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:04,490 we've discovered gobekli tepe in in 238 00:13:11,410 --> 00:13:09,010 Turkey which clearly is carbon dated and 239 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:11,420 possibly even fourteen thousand years 240 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:15,970 ago and so that that fills this gap and 241 00:13:21,790 --> 00:13:19,850 and nobody wants to change yet I I just 242 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:21,800 don't know what more proof do they need 243 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:22,370 Eric 244 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:25,490 well I really don't know it all has to 245 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:30,050 to do with our ideology you see we have 246 00:13:36,910 --> 00:13:34,010 this fantastic that as Darwin's theory 247 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:36,920 of evolution and definitely Darwin was 248 00:13:41,290 --> 00:13:39,050 right there evolution no doubt of this 249 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:41,300 but according to Darwin's theory of 250 00:13:47,890 --> 00:13:44,810 evolution there is no higher Society no 251 00:13:50,530 --> 00:13:47,900 higher culture let's say 14,000 years 252 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:50,540 ago that makes no sense because our 253 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:55,010 human way we adopt developed slowly from 254 00:14:00,550 --> 00:13:58,130 the Stone Age people we had the Bears we 255 00:14:04,150 --> 00:14:00,560 had the Arabs we had to chisel stones 256 00:14:06,910 --> 00:14:04,160 etc we were cavemen so slowly slowly we 257 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:06,920 evolved to our stage which we have today 258 00:14:12,910 --> 00:14:10,850 so a civilization 14,000 years ago who 259 00:14:14,980 --> 00:14:12,920 had writing who moved stone block 260 00:14:17,530 --> 00:14:14,990 doesn't fit into this theory 261 00:14:20,610 --> 00:14:17,540 that's why nobody talks about it in 262 00:14:23,970 --> 00:14:20,620 public it seems to me and you have 263 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:23,980 certainly proven this but says 264 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:26,330 civilizations have probably come and 265 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:29,930 gone dozens of times this this ten 266 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:32,570 thousand years ago ice age and they 267 00:14:37,630 --> 00:14:35,210 don't want to talk about it at all if 268 00:14:42,790 --> 00:14:37,640 it's before ten thousand years is crazy 269 00:14:45,580 --> 00:14:42,800 talk you know yep I just arriving on a 270 00:14:49,270 --> 00:14:45,590 book again and I remember we had this 271 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:49,280 atomic bomb this blast in the in the the 272 00:14:57,550 --> 00:14:54,320 Second World War in 1945 in Hiroshima so 273 00:15:00,519 --> 00:14:57,560 this terrible atomic bomb and 80 274 00:15:04,150 --> 00:15:00,529 thousand people were killed etc but the 275 00:15:07,420 --> 00:15:04,160 change story you find in the fifth book 276 00:15:10,630 --> 00:15:07,430 of the Mahabharata the Mahabharata is an 277 00:15:12,970 --> 00:15:10,640 old Indian story at least 5000 years ago 278 00:15:13,510 --> 00:15:12,980 and there you'll find that one of the 279 00:15:16,390 --> 00:15:13,520 God 280 00:15:19,180 --> 00:15:16,400 his name was gorgeou he destroyed three 281 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:19,190 city with the bomb coming out of the 282 00:15:26,230 --> 00:15:22,130 firmament but that city was burnt out 283 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:26,240 immediately we within seconds thousands 284 00:15:31,420 --> 00:15:28,130 and ten thousands of people burned down 285 00:15:34,810 --> 00:15:31,430 died and those who were far away they 286 00:15:37,780 --> 00:15:34,820 still the unburned children in the womb 287 00:15:40,420 --> 00:15:37,790 of the woman were died so all this 288 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:40,430 happened before but nobody takes care of 289 00:15:48,130 --> 00:15:45,710 it when when they you know they them 290 00:15:50,650 --> 00:15:48,140 when they come to you and they they say 291 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:50,660 if you know what I mean where is the 292 00:15:56,110 --> 00:15:53,810 proof what's what's the one thing that 293 00:15:58,960 --> 00:15:56,120 you could just that you would like to 294 00:16:02,860 --> 00:15:58,970 put on the table and say aha right here 295 00:16:03,610 --> 00:16:02,870 it's this you see I have an archive here 296 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:03,620 in my office 297 00:16:08,410 --> 00:16:06,110 with about two hundred thousand pictures 298 00:16:11,170 --> 00:16:08,420 all these two hundred thousand pictures 299 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:11,180 in the mean times are digitally lies in 300 00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:13,970 the computer so I show to these 301 00:16:19,450 --> 00:16:16,310 criticism I showed them some of the best 302 00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:19,460 pictures for example the tombstone of 303 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:22,160 Palenque the tombstone of Palenque is 304 00:16:29,140 --> 00:16:24,410 known in the meantime because ancient 305 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:29,150 alien shows it Palenque is a city of the 306 00:16:33,850 --> 00:16:31,970 Maya culture and Palenque there is one 307 00:16:38,770 --> 00:16:33,860 of the temple called the temple of 308 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:38,780 inscription and in 1952 professor 309 00:16:44,380 --> 00:16:41,810 Alberto ruse that Mexican archaeologists 310 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:44,390 discovered under this temple of 311 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:47,570 inscription a tomb the tomb was covered 312 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:49,850 with the large stone I mean large 313 00:16:56,350 --> 00:16:52,850 because it's three meter eighty long to 314 00:16:59,650 --> 00:16:56,360 me 220 laughs one stone block fantastic 315 00:17:02,590 --> 00:16:59,660 and on the stone block she slit out you 316 00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:02,600 see a figure bending forward almost like 317 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:05,600 a racing motorcyclist he uses his two 318 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:07,970 hands to manipulate some control he's 319 00:17:11,289 --> 00:17:10,490 sitting on a chair the heel of his left 320 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:11,299 foot 321 00:17:16,899 --> 00:17:14,809 is on some kind of pedal and outside he 322 00:17:19,509 --> 00:17:16,909 is sitting in a kind of vehicle outside 323 00:17:21,489 --> 00:17:19,519 you see a linking flame coming out so 324 00:17:25,109 --> 00:17:21,499 this is very very impressive 325 00:17:27,460 --> 00:17:25,119 now since the discovery in 1952 326 00:17:29,950 --> 00:17:27,470 archaeologists had all kinds of 327 00:17:32,139 --> 00:17:29,960 explanation reasonable explanations of 328 00:17:35,139 --> 00:17:32,149 course they said this figure represents 329 00:17:37,269 --> 00:17:35,149 tackle tackle was one of the mile 330 00:17:40,259 --> 00:17:37,279 leaders of the city of Palenque it 331 00:17:44,409 --> 00:17:40,269 represents buckle and tackle is falling 332 00:17:48,159 --> 00:17:44,419 into the day the open mouth of a monster 333 00:17:51,070 --> 00:17:48,169 so he's dying and he will be resurrected 334 00:17:54,009 --> 00:17:51,080 at one day now the newest translation 335 00:17:57,190 --> 00:17:54,019 from the Maya specialists they say the 336 00:18:00,060 --> 00:17:57,200 contrary now Pat Cal is not falling into 337 00:18:03,820 --> 00:18:00,070 the open mouth of a monster buckle is 338 00:18:06,729 --> 00:18:03,830 stopping from the earth outside to the 339 00:18:09,549 --> 00:18:06,739 universe so the explanation has changed 340 00:18:11,409 --> 00:18:09,559 now when I have critics here I showed 341 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:11,419 them this picture and I give them the 342 00:18:17,169 --> 00:18:14,090 old explanation I explain the changing 343 00:18:21,220 --> 00:18:17,179 of the explorations until today so step 344 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:21,230 by step we came for forward or I showed 345 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:23,210 them the old Indian lecture literature 346 00:18:28,149 --> 00:18:26,570 or I show them a book of Enoch there are 347 00:18:30,609 --> 00:18:28,159 English and German translations of e 348 00:18:33,310 --> 00:18:30,619 note and all these things the critics 349 00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:33,320 have never heard of it then they accept 350 00:18:38,019 --> 00:18:35,600 that we have something to say they 351 00:18:40,810 --> 00:18:38,029 accept that we are not just idiots with 352 00:18:43,539 --> 00:18:40,820 and fantasies we have some old writings 353 00:18:46,060 --> 00:18:43,549 and we have some pictures to show we can 354 00:18:49,269 --> 00:18:46,070 prove that the so-called gods were 355 00:18:51,549 --> 00:18:49,279 represented in stones in sculptures in 356 00:18:54,279 --> 00:18:51,559 temples and in so many times the 357 00:18:57,970 --> 00:18:54,289 so-called God they came down from the 358 00:19:00,759 --> 00:18:57,980 sky in flying chariots always so slowly 359 00:19:03,310 --> 00:19:00,769 slowly when the critics see these proofs 360 00:19:05,289 --> 00:19:03,320 they become quiet and that's what we 361 00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:05,299 need to do I do it practically every 362 00:19:08,619 --> 00:19:06,559 week 363 00:19:10,299 --> 00:19:08,629 this is fade to black and the dark 364 00:19:12,009 --> 00:19:10,309 matter radio network I'm your host Amy 365 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:12,019 Church Eric we're gonna take a quick 366 00:19:17,289 --> 00:19:14,690 break when we come back I want to know 367 00:19:21,940 --> 00:19:17,299 what went through your mind the first 368 00:19:23,289 --> 00:19:21,950 time you flew over Nazca alright okay 369 00:19:24,980 --> 00:19:23,299 we'll be back right after this stay with 370 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:24,990 us everybody fried 371 00:19:29,390 --> 00:19:28,050 night with Erich von däniken I'll be 372 00:19:31,210 --> 00:19:29,400 back right after the shoot me an email 373 00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:31,220 to Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio.com 374 00:19:38,930 --> 00:19:34,740 follow us on Twitter at J search radio 375 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:38,940 hashtag DM radio net get in there with 376 00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:41,610 all the other fader nots have a 377 00:19:46,730 --> 00:19:45,120 conversation special Friday night show 378 00:19:50,380 --> 00:19:46,740 right here on the dark matter radio 379 00:19:53,210 --> 00:19:50,390 network live from Switzerland Erich von 380 00:20:09,810 --> 00:19:53,220 däniken I'll be back right after this 381 00:20:15,970 --> 00:20:12,760 way out here we listen to Jimmy Church 382 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:15,980 on the dark matter radio network Dark 383 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:21,230 Matter dark matter darkness you're 384 00:20:37,540 --> 00:20:23,810 listening to fade to black on the dark 385 00:20:39,940 --> 00:20:37,550 matter radio network I'm Lisa Vance 386 00:20:42,910 --> 00:20:39,950 you're listening to Jimmy Church this is 387 00:20:46,740 --> 00:20:42,920 a revolution the revolution will not be 388 00:21:30,500 --> 00:20:46,750 televised the revolution is on radio 389 00:21:34,830 --> 00:21:32,790 all right this is fade to black I'm your 390 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:34,840 host Jimmy Church on the dark matter 391 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:37,450 radio network shoot me an email to me at 392 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:39,010 Jimmy Church radio.com you got anything 393 00:21:44,660 --> 00:21:41,710 for mr. von daniken follow us on twitter 394 00:21:48,090 --> 00:21:44,670 at jay search radio hashtag DM radio net 395 00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:48,100 eric indulge me for a second i had 396 00:21:54,210 --> 00:21:52,480 mentioned before the break that i when 397 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:54,220 when it comes to cherry to the gods and 398 00:21:59,940 --> 00:21:57,610 and the original movie back then one of 399 00:22:02,690 --> 00:21:59,950 the most shocking things presented there 400 00:22:05,340 --> 00:22:02,700 was there was dozens of things but for 401 00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,350 most of the world nobody had ever heard 402 00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:07,840 of nazca or that something like this 403 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:11,440 could even exist and and it seems like 404 00:22:15,780 --> 00:22:13,510 even though you didn't discover it you 405 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:15,790 certainly introduced it to the world and 406 00:22:21,150 --> 00:22:18,370 I couldn't believe what I was seeing 407 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:21,160 then what when you Fleur 408 00:22:25,770 --> 00:22:23,170 first flew over and snapped those famous 409 00:22:31,620 --> 00:22:25,780 pictures what was going through your 410 00:22:34,410 --> 00:22:31,630 mind if he it was in November 1964 I had 411 00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,420 a Peruvian friend who was studying with 412 00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:36,880 me in Switzerland in high school and he 413 00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:40,240 invited me to visit him in Peru so they 414 00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:43,600 were practically rich parents and one 415 00:22:49,260 --> 00:22:46,030 day he told me that there is a strange 416 00:22:51,090 --> 00:22:49,270 desert in the south of Lima about 500 417 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:51,100 kilometres south of Lima and in the 418 00:22:56,970 --> 00:22:54,010 desert - awesome lines he didn't do more 419 00:22:59,550 --> 00:22:56,980 and I didn't do nothing about it so we 420 00:23:02,040 --> 00:22:59,560 went down by the car and I was standing 421 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:02,050 on this desert and I saw some of the 422 00:23:06,930 --> 00:23:04,570 lines because you see only very very 423 00:23:09,230 --> 00:23:06,940 small part of the lines when you are on 424 00:23:13,140 --> 00:23:09,240 the ground you have to stand directly 425 00:23:16,380 --> 00:23:13,150 upon one line so the next two days we 426 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:16,390 organized and flight it was only 427 00:23:21,210 --> 00:23:18,970 possible to the to the army to the air 428 00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:21,220 Air Force the Peruvian Air Force but 429 00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,200 because the father was rich so there was 430 00:23:28,860 --> 00:23:25,600 no problem then we could fly over his 431 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:28,870 Nazca and I saw these gigantic lines 432 00:23:34,740 --> 00:23:32,010 they start abruptly they end abruptly 433 00:23:37,170 --> 00:23:34,750 seen from the air you have the 434 00:23:40,380 --> 00:23:37,180 impression - looking down up at an old 435 00:23:43,140 --> 00:23:40,390 airport of course it's not an airport 436 00:23:45,630 --> 00:23:43,150 but it looks like an airport from the 437 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:45,640 from the air and in the midst of these 438 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:48,370 lines you see big figures figures of 439 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:51,250 spiders of monkeys of all kinds of 440 00:23:57,060 --> 00:23:54,010 things that they all look up worth to 441 00:23:59,310 --> 00:23:57,070 the sky even on some top of some 442 00:24:02,040 --> 00:23:59,320 mountains you find some big figures 443 00:24:04,170 --> 00:24:02,050 engraved which you can see only from the 444 00:24:05,670 --> 00:24:04,180 air when you are down in the desert you 445 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:05,680 can look up at the mountain you see 446 00:24:12,510 --> 00:24:09,730 nothing so I was the first one who 447 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:12,520 brought this to public with my book 448 00:24:17,060 --> 00:24:15,370 Chariots of the Gods and also in 1968 449 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:17,070 with the movie Chariots of the Gods 450 00:24:22,740 --> 00:24:20,050 there was an old lady a German lady 451 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:22,750 working there Miss Maria Reiche a and 452 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:24,850 she was studying Nautica she was 453 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:27,850 absolutely a brilliant scientist but she 454 00:24:33,540 --> 00:24:30,610 was not an archaeologist her profession 455 00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:33,550 was geology and measurement in geology 456 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:36,880 she had all kinds of ideas what this 457 00:24:40,020 --> 00:24:37,450 could be 458 00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:40,030 and by the end when she was an old lady 459 00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:44,080 she said I spent my life to solve this 460 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:46,390 mystery but I could not solve the 461 00:24:52,890 --> 00:24:48,809 mystery I still don't know what is true 462 00:24:55,230 --> 00:24:52,900 why what did the locals know did they 463 00:24:57,930 --> 00:24:55,240 know that you know there was monkeys and 464 00:24:59,520 --> 00:24:57,940 spiders or did they just what were the 465 00:25:02,970 --> 00:24:59,530 rumors going around or were they just 466 00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,980 lines in the desert there was just lines 467 00:25:07,950 --> 00:25:04,960 in the desert and some figures and the 468 00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:07,960 locals did not knew much about it it was 469 00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:10,390 a pure coincidence in in the forties I 470 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:13,360 don't remember exactly which year when 471 00:25:20,790 --> 00:25:17,650 an American professor of geology was 472 00:25:22,770 --> 00:25:20,800 flying over Nazca and the reason why he 473 00:25:24,570 --> 00:25:22,780 was flying was not the lines he didn't 474 00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:24,580 knew nothing about the line the reason 475 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:27,670 was he was looking for water water under 476 00:25:32,580 --> 00:25:29,890 the earth you know some channels or some 477 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:32,590 under under earth water and then he 478 00:25:39,090 --> 00:25:35,890 found these lines and late later the 479 00:25:39,419 --> 00:25:39,100 German geologist mrs. Maria Rifa came to 480 00:25:41,220 --> 00:25:39,429 Peru 481 00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,230 she didn't knew nothing about these 482 00:25:45,660 --> 00:25:43,600 lines either but by coincidence she 483 00:25:49,230 --> 00:25:45,670 turned together with this American 400 484 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:49,240 oh we were losing Erik now we lost him 485 00:25:54,419 --> 00:25:52,810 okay all right I'm gonna reset this is 486 00:25:56,610 --> 00:25:54,429 fade to black in the dark metal radio 487 00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:56,620 network I'm your host Jimmy Church 488 00:26:01,500 --> 00:25:58,450 this is the Friday edition with Erich 489 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:01,510 von däniken we are live from Switzerland 490 00:26:06,510 --> 00:26:03,970 you know technical stuff we're resetting 491 00:26:08,010 --> 00:26:06,520 right now I'll be back right after the 492 00:26:09,779 --> 00:26:08,020 shoot us an email to Jimmy a two-meter 493 00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:09,789 radio.com follow us on Twitter it's 494 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:13,529 heating up feedback at J Church radio 495 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:30,960 everybody's out for the mental guard on 496 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:36,490 GB Church radio.com what's up my name's 497 00:26:45,290 --> 00:26:39,130 Brian Taylor ninja badass extraordinaire 498 00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:45,300 and this is Jimmy Church radio.com hey 499 00:27:09,220 --> 00:26:50,230 jay-z are in your face Jimmy radio.com 500 00:27:15,740 --> 00:27:11,540 okay welcome back fade to black 501 00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:15,750 on a Friday live from Switzerland Erich 502 00:27:18,770 --> 00:27:17,100 von däniken 503 00:27:20,420 --> 00:27:18,780 this is fade to black I'm your host 504 00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,430 Jimmy Church shoot us an email to Jimmy 505 00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:22,080 at Jimmy Church radio.com follow us on 506 00:27:28,220 --> 00:27:25,620 Twitter at Jayde church radio hashtag DM 507 00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:28,230 radio Necco join all the other fate or 508 00:27:36,050 --> 00:27:33,350 nots okay Eric have you witnessed 509 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:36,060 anything extraordinary in the sky 510 00:27:42,980 --> 00:27:40,290 yourself now unfortunately now I never 511 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:42,990 had to change to see a UFO I would love 512 00:27:49,940 --> 00:27:46,290 to I never saw a UFO of course I had 513 00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:49,950 some wonderful dreams so spiritual 514 00:27:55,550 --> 00:27:52,440 people telling people would say I had 515 00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:55,560 some well spiritual contact with them 516 00:28:01,250 --> 00:27:58,890 but in practice in my life I never saw a 517 00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:01,260 UFO what about your family 518 00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:04,860 growing up what was the feeling back 519 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:07,620 then I you know we're talking many years 520 00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:10,850 ago but where was your family 521 00:28:17,060 --> 00:28:14,160 open-minded to oh yes to the paranoia 522 00:28:19,970 --> 00:28:17,070 you see as I said before I was educated 523 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:19,980 at a strict Catholic and my father was a 524 00:28:24,940 --> 00:28:22,410 strict Catholic and when he neared about 525 00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:24,950 this story and also my mother 526 00:28:30,140 --> 00:28:28,440 they asked me but Eric do you still 527 00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:30,150 believe in God or do you become numb 528 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:32,400 what no we're atheist and I could 529 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:36,210 absolutely convinced him that I God is 530 00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:38,250 bigger and bigger than ever you never 531 00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:40,460 lost lose God when you deal with 532 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:42,360 extraterrestrials so they were very 533 00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:45,930 helpful but my father died early sure 534 00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:47,820 shortly after Chariots of the Gods was 535 00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:51,990 in the market in 1968 he died with them 536 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:53,880 not because because of the trouble with 537 00:29:00,410 --> 00:28:58,170 me well he didn't get to see it 538 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:00,420 published in like a hundred million 539 00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:04,530 languages you know oh that's that's 540 00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:09,960 that's too bad the the modern ways of 541 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:11,400 looking at things and I'm talking about 542 00:29:19,249 --> 00:29:16,570 Hollywood when you have like Prometheus 543 00:29:23,580 --> 00:29:19,259 and Stargate and some of these other 544 00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:23,590 huge blockbusters they all kind of used 545 00:29:29,370 --> 00:29:25,990 you for a source indirectly or directly 546 00:29:29,940 --> 00:29:29,380 how does that make you feel I'm happy 547 00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:29,950 about it 548 00:29:35,070 --> 00:29:32,409 of course I you know I love all these 549 00:29:37,769 --> 00:29:35,080 films as long as they are not completely 550 00:29:40,379 --> 00:29:37,779 nonsense as long as they make sense 551 00:29:43,049 --> 00:29:40,389 there is a reason and even science 552 00:29:45,210 --> 00:29:43,059 behind it I love all these movies I love 553 00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:45,220 this part of this blockbuster 554 00:29:49,379 --> 00:29:46,960 because it brings two thing into 555 00:29:52,350 --> 00:29:49,389 discussion more and more people start to 556 00:29:55,470 --> 00:29:52,360 ask are we alone is something out there 557 00:29:57,690 --> 00:29:55,480 is it possibility were with it etc and 558 00:30:00,810 --> 00:29:57,700 this is very important because the 559 00:30:04,139 --> 00:30:00,820 society is changing is changing always 560 00:30:06,539 --> 00:30:04,149 from Stone Age to the middle age now we 561 00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:06,549 are changing again it's a new paradigm a 562 00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:08,830 coming up so I'm very happy about these 563 00:30:12,659 --> 00:30:11,110 movies do they ever consult you do you 564 00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:12,669 ever get a phone call and they want to 565 00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:14,769 ask in some case yes 566 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:17,289 you know when roland emmerich had his 567 00:30:24,180 --> 00:30:21,370 first movie stargate then we had a 568 00:30:25,649 --> 00:30:24,190 telephone conversation and i said you 569 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:25,659 read airing from the anything very well 570 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:27,850 and yes yes I accept I read all your 571 00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,450 books so I was happy about it now with 572 00:30:35,399 --> 00:30:33,279 with with with you know with ancient 573 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:35,409 aliens of course I'm a consultant they 574 00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:37,330 asked me all the time and they make 575 00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:41,350 interviews with me do has this this may 576 00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:44,080 seem strange but this is how my mind 577 00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:47,529 works have you ever had anybody from 578 00:30:53,249 --> 00:30:50,320 either your government or maybe the 579 00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:53,259 United States but mentioned to you off 580 00:31:00,360 --> 00:30:56,049 the record that you are right that 581 00:31:02,999 --> 00:31:00,370 you're onto something well of course me 582 00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:03,009 I mean there are some scientific books 583 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:05,590 on the market in the meantime which are 584 00:31:10,619 --> 00:31:07,809 written by scientists from different 585 00:31:12,690 --> 00:31:10,629 branches for example in New York there's 586 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:12,700 a professor in philosophy his name is 587 00:31:17,789 --> 00:31:15,370 professor dr. Louie Navia he has 588 00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:17,799 published book from the sand from the 589 00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:19,929 philosophical point of view and he came 590 00:31:25,259 --> 00:31:22,200 to the same conclusion or we have 591 00:31:26,909 --> 00:31:25,269 anthropologists like Peter Horne who 592 00:31:30,419 --> 00:31:26,919 have come to the same conclusion now 593 00:31:32,909 --> 00:31:30,429 something is wrong in our evolution 594 00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,919 there are more and more and here even as 595 00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:34,960 I said in the beginning the scientific 596 00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:37,360 community is not accepting or what I'm 597 00:31:43,139 --> 00:31:40,480 doing but many scientists are very very 598 00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:43,149 proud and happy when we are in 599 00:31:47,639 --> 00:31:45,519 discussion and these are fair discussion 600 00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:47,649 and open discussions you see in 601 00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:50,289 Switzerland we have a newspaper which is 602 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:53,110 called bleaker bleakest the biggest 603 00:31:58,169 --> 00:31:55,570 newspaper and since three years 604 00:32:01,230 --> 00:31:58,179 Erich von däniken writes a column every 605 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:01,240 three weeks since three years in brick 606 00:32:06,989 --> 00:32:03,730 about extraterrestrials and it has a big 607 00:32:09,690 --> 00:32:06,999 audience so slowly floating something is 608 00:32:13,739 --> 00:32:09,700 changing well I totally agree and I 609 00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:13,749 think now that the want to say 610 00:32:19,139 --> 00:32:16,480 population now everybody here the the 611 00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:19,149 the the people that live on earth I 612 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:21,519 think we're getting a little smarter and 613 00:32:27,749 --> 00:32:24,129 the internet certainly helps that and 614 00:32:30,210 --> 00:32:27,759 television and and mass media but now I 615 00:32:34,919 --> 00:32:30,220 think the only sensible conclusion is 616 00:32:39,779 --> 00:32:34,929 that yes we were visited that that be we 617 00:32:42,090 --> 00:32:39,789 are being visited now and we have the 618 00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:42,100 evidence we feel good about this it only 619 00:32:46,139 --> 00:32:45,519 makes sense that were not alone in this 620 00:32:48,989 --> 00:32:46,149 universe 621 00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:48,999 and I think that they're frustrated with 622 00:32:56,989 --> 00:32:53,919 the denial from from officials from both 623 00:32:59,879 --> 00:32:56,999 academia and governments themselves 624 00:33:02,730 --> 00:32:59,889 you see concerning the past thousands of 625 00:33:04,889 --> 00:33:02,740 years I can clearly prove my case of 626 00:33:07,470 --> 00:33:04,899 course we have never found an 627 00:33:09,769 --> 00:33:07,480 extraterrestrial object I was never able 628 00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:09,779 to present to the scientific community 629 00:33:14,850 --> 00:33:12,369 some objects which is thousands of years 630 00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:14,860 ago which the extraterrestrials left on 631 00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,200 the planet but we can prove by 632 00:33:23,399 --> 00:33:20,080 indication and indications if you have a 633 00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:23,409 lot of them are so strong that we would 634 00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:26,289 we would win every court case with our 635 00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,350 indications so concerning the past I can 636 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:31,919 clearly prove we were visited by 637 00:33:36,570 --> 00:33:34,210 extraterrestrials and this goes on 638 00:33:39,330 --> 00:33:36,580 because when these visitors left our 639 00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:39,340 planet they promised to our forefathers 640 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:44,350 we will return this promise of returning 641 00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:48,010 was practices in every old culture this 642 00:33:52,350 --> 00:33:50,230 matter if you take the Maya if you take 643 00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:52,360 the up stakes if you take the Egyptian 644 00:33:57,330 --> 00:33:53,620 doesn't matter what culture in the past 645 00:34:00,090 --> 00:33:57,340 they all were expecting some gods to 646 00:34:02,909 --> 00:34:00,100 return and the same belief we have in 647 00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:02,919 our today's religion again I'm educated 648 00:34:08,099 --> 00:34:05,470 as a Christian we believe that Jesus one 649 00:34:11,369 --> 00:34:08,109 day will return but the Muslim society 650 00:34:14,369 --> 00:34:11,379 believes that their Mohave will return 651 00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:14,379 the Buddhist religion they wait the 652 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:15,369 return of their Buddha 653 00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:19,570 the great Jewish communica community is 654 00:34:24,359 --> 00:34:22,780 waiting since more than 5,700 years for 655 00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,369 the returning of their Messiah 656 00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:27,040 so not only the cultures which died out 657 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:30,639 had this expectation also our today's 658 00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:34,090 religion now honestly not every religion 659 00:34:39,389 --> 00:34:36,220 can be right some of them must be wrong 660 00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:39,399 and I'm afraid there is no Messiah or no 661 00:34:45,180 --> 00:34:42,159 Buddha or no Jesus Jesus on Omaha Beach 662 00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:45,190 to return simply extraterrestrials and 663 00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:47,710 it makes sense to be prepared for such 664 00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:51,070 an event do you think Sitchin was right 665 00:34:57,090 --> 00:34:54,879 oh yes many cases we know each other 666 00:34:59,760 --> 00:34:57,100 very very good I was not the friend of 667 00:35:02,570 --> 00:34:59,770 his 12th planet because the 12th planet 668 00:35:06,210 --> 00:35:02,580 you know was surrounding our our Sun in 669 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:06,220 3,600 years our astronomers should know 670 00:35:10,260 --> 00:35:08,410 this because we can measure a planet 671 00:35:12,570 --> 00:35:10,270 even if you don't see it you can measure 672 00:35:14,970 --> 00:35:12,580 it but I was a very fan of Zachariah 673 00:35:17,790 --> 00:35:14,980 sitting with all these translations from 674 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:17,800 the Sumerian cookie forms what he came 675 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:21,730 out it absolutely great can you read 676 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:27,250 Sumerian no not at all in Germany we 677 00:35:31,950 --> 00:35:29,410 have a professor in Sumer and resume 678 00:35:34,410 --> 00:35:31,960 analogy his name is dr. Beauregard and 679 00:35:37,590 --> 00:35:34,420 this doctor broke out now for the first 680 00:35:40,650 --> 00:35:37,600 time has translated all Sumerian 681 00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:40,660 cuneiform writings with modern sense and 682 00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:43,510 I have his manuscript on my desk I had 683 00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,460 him on the phone two or three times he's 684 00:35:50,130 --> 00:35:47,680 an old man in the mean time and he said 685 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:50,140 Erik now it makes sense 686 00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:53,770 in the past our translations always we 687 00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:55,500 had to find for religious of 688 00:36:01,310 --> 00:35:58,200 psychological interpretation 689 00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:01,320 that was wrong now it makes sense there 690 00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:04,500 was a space station around the air there 691 00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:07,140 were smaller vehicles going up to the 692 00:36:11,089 --> 00:36:09,960 space station coming down the gods were 693 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:11,099 extraterrestrials 694 00:36:16,690 --> 00:36:13,290 and this you can prove in the mean time 695 00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:16,700 by new translations so the world changes 696 00:36:23,420 --> 00:36:20,910 that's interesting is there any way to 697 00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,430 look at this online and to investigate 698 00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:25,200 this further I would like to look into 699 00:36:28,339 --> 00:36:26,099 this myself 700 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:28,349 yeah but the book exists only in German 701 00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:29,849 language at the moment well you're gonna 702 00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:33,630 have to translate for me it's really so 703 00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:35,510 complicated you came up some lady 704 00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:38,430 somebody a big American publisher has to 705 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:40,740 do this one of the things that I find 706 00:36:47,770 --> 00:36:43,650 frustrating with a Sitchin is his 707 00:36:53,329 --> 00:36:47,780 detractors and the skeptics and in that 708 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:53,339 it's very very easy to say no it doesn't 709 00:36:57,620 --> 00:36:56,130 exist when you're when you're dealing 710 00:36:59,540 --> 00:36:57,630 with something that you don't have any 711 00:37:01,520 --> 00:36:59,550 concrete proof I mean that's the easiest 712 00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:01,530 thing to do is is to be a critic or a 713 00:37:07,010 --> 00:37:04,740 debunker and and with Sitchin I just 714 00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:07,020 feel like he was out there on his own 715 00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:10,710 and he couldn't get anybody to stand up 716 00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:13,710 and support him from academia because 717 00:37:19,220 --> 00:37:16,200 they are all afraid they are all afraid 718 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:19,230 to lose their reputation as we said in 719 00:37:26,359 --> 00:37:22,050 the beginning all scientists want to be 720 00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:26,369 reasonable and what we do for them is 721 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:29,849 still unreasonable soon a scientists 722 00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,730 look into the matter seriously they all 723 00:37:37,819 --> 00:37:35,280 change their mind but they are afraid 724 00:37:40,730 --> 00:37:37,829 afraid to look into the matter they 725 00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:40,740 don't see the old books the old texts 726 00:37:47,740 --> 00:37:43,560 they still have the old ton of you but 727 00:37:50,809 --> 00:37:47,750 again this will change be sure that our 728 00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:50,819 form of thinking will change you see in 729 00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:52,710 the past when we have an old text we had 730 00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:55,710 a word like heaven so Abraham was taken 731 00:38:00,380 --> 00:37:58,260 into the heaven but I'm sorry in the 732 00:38:02,839 --> 00:38:00,390 heaven there was a war now 733 00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:02,849 I'm educated as a Catholic when I was a 734 00:38:07,730 --> 00:38:05,609 boy they told me when you are nice in 735 00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,740 your life when you are not cheating 736 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:10,079 other people's lying other people's when 737 00:38:14,329 --> 00:38:11,730 you work you are not the murderer 738 00:38:16,220 --> 00:38:14,339 etc when you died you came to heaven 739 00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,230 heaven is the place of absolute 740 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:18,000 happiness in heaven you are together 741 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:21,450 near God near the great Almighty God 742 00:38:26,780 --> 00:38:24,089 but I'm sorry in the same heaven there 743 00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:26,790 was a war even in the Christian Jewish 744 00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:28,950 tradition you remember the story of 745 00:38:34,849 --> 00:38:31,800 Lucifer Lucifer was an arc angel in 746 00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:34,859 heaven and when they Lucifer came to the 747 00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:37,560 throne of the Almighty God and said we 748 00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:40,020 don't serve you anymore at the Almighty 749 00:38:46,339 --> 00:38:42,960 God sent out his Archangel Michael to 750 00:38:46,940 --> 00:38:46,349 put Lucifer and his disciples out of 751 00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:46,950 heaven 752 00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:52,320 happiness because you are united with 753 00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:55,800 God you cannot have war at the same time 754 00:39:02,569 --> 00:38:58,920 meaning war or opposition means you are 755 00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:02,579 not happy so we should change words like 756 00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,780 heaven into space new tradition or we 757 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:09,119 have words like angel what is an angel 758 00:39:15,550 --> 00:39:12,210 an angel is the messenger coming down 759 00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:15,560 from the sky to teach the humans but 760 00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,420 messengers angels have sex with humans 761 00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,599 definitely so change the word angel into 762 00:39:26,660 --> 00:39:23,520 extraterrestrial now you have changed 763 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:26,670 toward heaven into space angels into 764 00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,770 extraterrestrial an archangel is the 765 00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:30,240 leader of a group of extraterrestrial 766 00:39:36,020 --> 00:39:33,150 you only have to change about 10 worlds 767 00:39:40,220 --> 00:39:36,030 with modern sense and the old text 768 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:40,230 became brand new meaning interpretation 769 00:39:45,290 --> 00:39:43,290 and that's what we need what we do that 770 00:39:48,829 --> 00:39:45,300 would be that would be a best-selling 771 00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:48,839 book the Bible part to think about that 772 00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:52,710 I mean that would that would be a 773 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:54,750 game-changer and you would certainly 774 00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,490 have a target on your back at that point 775 00:40:01,069 --> 00:39:59,280 let's take another break where I've got 776 00:40:03,380 --> 00:40:01,079 a couple other things I want to get out 777 00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,390 there and when we come back this is fade 778 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:05,280 to black on the dark matter radio 779 00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:07,290 network when we come back I'm gonna ask 780 00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:11,760 Eric how he investigates and where does 781 00:40:16,849 --> 00:40:14,640 he get his information from and for all 782 00:40:18,380 --> 00:40:16,859 of us out there that's that's the one 783 00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:18,390 question I think that needs to be 784 00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:19,020 answered 785 00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:21,030 this is fade to black in the dark matter 786 00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:22,470 radio network I'm your host Amy Church 787 00:40:26,180 --> 00:40:24,030 we are live from 788 00:40:43,870 --> 00:40:26,190 whistlin with erich von daniken will be 789 00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:46,520 La Crescenta and I listen to Jimmy 790 00:40:55,940 --> 00:40:50,700 Church radio Jimmy Church my name is 791 00:41:00,620 --> 00:40:55,950 Alan listen to Jimmy cheerio calm he's 792 00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:00,630 always giving it to you straight on the 793 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:05,160 dark matter radio network hi this is Rob 794 00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:06,810 Reiner from anvil and you're listening 795 00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:08,070 to Jimmy Church 796 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:32,500 alright this paid fly on the Dark Matter 797 00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:35,090 radio network their Friday edition I am 798 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:36,560 your host Jimmy Church we on the Dark 799 00:41:43,090 --> 00:41:39,290 Matter radio network live from 800 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:43,100 Switzerland Erich von däniken Eric I 801 00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:45,170 said before the break one of the I mean 802 00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:50,180 the big question is you know how how do 803 00:41:56,340 --> 00:41:53,119 you investigate and where do you get 804 00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:56,350 your information from where do you start 805 00:42:02,830 --> 00:41:59,290 well the beginning is always 806 00:42:05,170 --> 00:42:02,840 archaeological discoveries I read every 807 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:05,180 archaeological discovery every book 808 00:42:09,460 --> 00:42:08,810 which I can find now it depends on the 809 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:09,470 dating 810 00:42:14,650 --> 00:42:12,290 it's an old temple or a new temple when 811 00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:14,660 it's new temple I'm not interested with 812 00:42:21,550 --> 00:42:18,710 new I mean 3,000 years so I'm looking 813 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:21,560 for discoveries of temples and houses 814 00:42:27,460 --> 00:42:23,810 and whatever which are older than than 815 00:42:30,099 --> 00:42:27,470 3,000 years then I go there of course I 816 00:42:31,930 --> 00:42:30,109 know the archaeological meaning I read 817 00:42:35,620 --> 00:42:31,940 the archeological book but I have 818 00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:35,630 another meaning another century I say if 819 00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:37,760 it has to do something with religion at 820 00:42:43,540 --> 00:42:40,910 their time 3,000 more is in the bag then 821 00:42:45,460 --> 00:42:43,550 we must find some religious culture 822 00:42:48,070 --> 00:42:45,470 sculptures some paintings 823 00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,080 something must have showed their gods 824 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:50,960 they believed so I go there to all these 825 00:42:56,140 --> 00:42:53,450 places and they look to these ruins with 826 00:42:58,990 --> 00:42:56,150 my eyes and my eyes have different view 827 00:43:00,640 --> 00:42:59,000 then the archaeologist has it too now in 828 00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:00,650 the meantime because my books are 829 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:04,300 worldwide in 32 languages I receive 830 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:07,010 incredible information from my readers 831 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:09,890 some lady writes me out of New Zealand 832 00:43:14,740 --> 00:43:11,810 mr. von Daniken you have published some 833 00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:14,750 Stone Age paintings in a cave somewhere 834 00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:17,750 but don't you know something about our 835 00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:20,000 Stone Age paintings they are much more 836 00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:22,910 impressive so I answered I asked for a 837 00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:24,800 scientific literature which 838 00:43:29,590 --> 00:43:26,780 archaeologist has published something 839 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:29,600 about it then we get in contact as soon 840 00:43:34,990 --> 00:43:31,850 as I find that could be interested 841 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:35,000 interesting then I fly there in all my 842 00:43:41,650 --> 00:43:38,210 books I write about nothing which I have 843 00:43:43,690 --> 00:43:41,660 not seen untouched I was always there 844 00:43:46,420 --> 00:43:43,700 that's why I have 200 thousands of 845 00:43:48,549 --> 00:43:46,430 pictures in my archive can you give me 846 00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:48,559 one example I'm excited about this can 847 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:51,740 you give me one example of somebody that 848 00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:54,890 tipped you off and you went wow I didn't 849 00:43:58,539 --> 00:43:56,569 I didn't know about this and it turned 850 00:44:00,789 --> 00:43:58,549 out to be something sensational can you 851 00:44:01,299 --> 00:44:00,799 give me an example of that yes some some 852 00:44:05,019 --> 00:44:01,309 years ago 853 00:44:07,749 --> 00:44:05,029 I had a speech in that in the University 854 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:07,759 of Bombay India in the meantime it's not 855 00:44:12,249 --> 00:44:10,250 anymore Bombay the second Mumbai and I 856 00:44:15,370 --> 00:44:12,259 had a speech at the University and after 857 00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:15,380 the speech I was attacked by a professor 858 00:44:20,529 --> 00:44:18,079 in Sanskrit he please name was professor 859 00:44:23,319 --> 00:44:20,539 dr. Dilip Kanjilal he was a small man 860 00:44:26,620 --> 00:44:23,329 but he was very brilliant in his brain 861 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:26,630 and he said Eric you know nothing about 862 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:29,450 our Indian mythology but you say you 863 00:44:33,819 --> 00:44:31,970 just scratch on the surface this cause 864 00:44:36,910 --> 00:44:33,829 all much people and you have to 865 00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:36,920 understand our Hindu religion etc so we 866 00:44:42,190 --> 00:44:39,680 had discussions he was against me and 867 00:44:44,529 --> 00:44:42,200 then he said during the discussion on 868 00:44:47,049 --> 00:44:44,539 the Indian temples in the shallows of 869 00:44:49,450 --> 00:44:47,059 the Indian temples there up thousands of 870 00:44:52,779 --> 00:44:49,460 manuscripts which nobody translated 871 00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:52,789 manuscript from Sanskrit in Christian so 872 00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,250 I said to the professor why don't you 873 00:44:59,140 --> 00:44:57,680 translate it you are able to do it he 874 00:45:02,079 --> 00:44:59,150 says well it's a question of money I 875 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:02,089 need time I need one or two years I 876 00:45:08,650 --> 00:45:05,450 asked him what's the price I mean if you 877 00:45:11,710 --> 00:45:08,660 take one ear of the audio University can 878 00:45:13,420 --> 00:45:11,720 I pay this of course I could paid it was 879 00:45:16,059 --> 00:45:13,430 about twenty thousand dollars which it 880 00:45:18,430 --> 00:45:16,069 was nothing at that time so he made free 881 00:45:21,730 --> 00:45:18,440 from his university and he started to 882 00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:21,740 translate old Indian texts from Sanskrit 883 00:45:27,099 --> 00:45:24,049 into English and the result was a book 884 00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:27,109 flying machines in ancient India so the 885 00:45:32,289 --> 00:45:29,089 professor completely changed his mind 886 00:45:35,980 --> 00:45:32,299 and it helped me of course to support my 887 00:45:39,249 --> 00:45:35,990 case that's an incredible story and the 888 00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:39,259 reason why I'm asking is the discovery 889 00:45:43,930 --> 00:45:42,319 that we have just made off of Malibu you 890 00:45:49,539 --> 00:45:43,940 and I were just talking about that off 891 00:45:52,749 --> 00:45:49,549 off air was sent to us from one of our 892 00:45:55,299 --> 00:45:52,759 listeners and he sent me an image and he 893 00:45:55,630 --> 00:45:55,309 said check this out something strange is 894 00:45:58,990 --> 00:45:55,640 off 895 00:46:01,800 --> 00:45:59,000 the coast of Malibu and we went and 896 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:01,810 investigated and made the discovery and 897 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:05,930 if if that hadn't have happened and I 898 00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:08,810 encourage everybody listening to you and 899 00:46:14,530 --> 00:46:10,880 I right now if you know of something 900 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:14,540 interesting don't sit on it don't ignore 901 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:15,290 it 902 00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:21,530 guys like you and myself where we can 903 00:46:26,140 --> 00:46:23,480 and we have the resources to go and 904 00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,150 investigate because without that you 905 00:46:29,980 --> 00:46:28,640 know there's so many eyes and ears out 906 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:29,990 there in the world and people are 907 00:46:35,020 --> 00:46:32,330 discovering things all the time and if 908 00:46:37,150 --> 00:46:35,030 you find something let somebody know 909 00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:37,160 about it because if you don't make the 910 00:46:44,740 --> 00:46:39,920 move it could potentially just sit there 911 00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:44,750 like India yeah exactly that's why we in 912 00:46:50,830 --> 00:46:48,110 Germany we have our organization you see 913 00:46:52,990 --> 00:46:50,840 it was early it was called engine SOR 914 00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,000 Society in the mean time it's called 915 00:46:58,540 --> 00:46:55,520 Society for investigation in archaeology 916 00:46:59,710 --> 00:46:58,550 and aromatics and safety safety means 917 00:47:01,960 --> 00:46:59,720 search for extraterrestrial intelligence 918 00:47:04,090 --> 00:47:01,970 and in the United States we have a 919 00:47:06,250 --> 00:47:04,100 similar organization which is made by 920 00:47:08,590 --> 00:47:06,260 Georgia to scholars you know Georgia 921 00:47:11,260 --> 00:47:08,600 from ancient aliens the Georgia has he 922 00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:11,270 has his legendary Time magazine on the 923 00:47:17,020 --> 00:47:14,480 market there we always publish every two 924 00:47:20,410 --> 00:47:17,030 months the newest discovery and bring it 925 00:47:23,350 --> 00:47:20,420 into open discussion it has to be that 926 00:47:25,570 --> 00:47:23,360 way and the more that you discuss and 927 00:47:29,350 --> 00:47:25,580 that and the more that I discuss and 928 00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:29,360 programs like this it gets out there and 929 00:47:35,530 --> 00:47:31,280 that's one thing I wanted to touch upon 930 00:47:38,410 --> 00:47:35,540 with all of your success because you've 931 00:47:41,650 --> 00:47:38,420 had an immense amount of success do you 932 00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:41,660 think that you have changed things for 933 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:44,380 us in other words is there an era before 934 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:48,290 erich von daniken and then the era after 935 00:47:54,430 --> 00:47:51,770 can you feel it of course there is a 936 00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:54,440 changing you see even before Erich von 937 00:48:00,460 --> 00:47:57,650 däniken before 1968 there was science 938 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:00,470 fiction writers brilliant men who came 939 00:48:06,490 --> 00:48:03,010 up with the idea that we visit another 940 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:06,500 planet and the natives would look at as 941 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:09,890 a form of God so this 942 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:13,130 a basic idea was not an invention of 943 00:48:17,290 --> 00:48:15,050 Eric's under any content existed in 944 00:48:18,910 --> 00:48:17,300 science-fiction material but I was 945 00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:18,920 practically the first who came out and 946 00:48:24,490 --> 00:48:21,710 took it serious I said now I want to 947 00:48:26,530 --> 00:48:24,500 find proof in temples in sculptors in 948 00:48:29,020 --> 00:48:26,540 holy writings etc and that was the 949 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:29,030 success of Chariots of the Gods by the 950 00:48:34,810 --> 00:48:31,490 way next month somewhere in the fifth or 951 00:48:37,810 --> 00:48:34,820 sixth August I am in the United States 952 00:48:40,930 --> 00:48:37,820 and I have not only a speech I also have 953 00:48:43,570 --> 00:48:40,940 a so-called workshop where for five or 954 00:48:46,030 --> 00:48:43,580 six hours I show to deliciousness the 955 00:48:48,460 --> 00:48:46,040 most incredible things yeah that's a 956 00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,470 contact in the desert and we will be 957 00:48:54,060 --> 00:48:50,480 there by the way we will all wonderful 958 00:48:55,930 --> 00:48:54,070 yeah we are will be broadcasting live 959 00:48:59,200 --> 00:48:55,940 August 8th 960 00:49:01,840 --> 00:48:59,210 that's a Friday night and I'm excited to 961 00:49:04,660 --> 00:49:01,850 actually meet you in person and and I 962 00:49:07,450 --> 00:49:04,670 can't I talked about it on the show 963 00:49:10,810 --> 00:49:07,460 every night about contacting the desert 964 00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:10,820 and the collection of researchers that 965 00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:14,150 is there not only giorgio but yourself 966 00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,250 and Nick Pope and and Richard Dolan the 967 00:49:25,390 --> 00:49:21,920 the list goes on and on and on but that 968 00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:25,400 is a huge collection of minds all at the 969 00:49:31,570 --> 00:49:27,910 same place at the same time I encourage 970 00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,580 everybody to to take the time and come 971 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:34,160 out and hang out with all of us and with 972 00:49:38,290 --> 00:49:35,810 that I'm gonna take one more quick break 973 00:49:40,930 --> 00:49:38,300 we'll come back and we'll wrap up with 974 00:49:42,550 --> 00:49:40,940 Erich von däniken live from Switzerland 975 00:49:44,650 --> 00:49:42,560 this is fade to black on the dark matter 976 00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:44,660 radio network stay with us everybody 977 00:49:49,390 --> 00:49:46,190 shoot us an email to me at you beetroots 978 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:49,400 radio.com and follow us on twitter at JT 979 00:49:54,850 --> 00:49:53,210 radio hashtag DM radio net stay with 980 00:50:09,950 --> 00:49:54,860 this eric we'll wrap this up when we 981 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:13,890 this my popular opinion reading a book 982 00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:23,890 will not make you smarter he's always 983 00:50:43,860 --> 00:50:28,510 giving it to you straight on the dark 984 00:50:43,870 --> 00:51:04,849 this is kjc our Jimmy shirts radio yeah 985 00:51:10,499 --> 00:51:07,140 all right everybody welcome back fade to 986 00:51:12,210 --> 00:51:10,509 black on a Friday live from Switzerland 987 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:12,220 Erich von däniken 988 00:51:15,569 --> 00:51:14,170 this is fade to black in the dark matter 989 00:51:19,470 --> 00:51:15,579 radio network I'm your host Amy Church 990 00:51:22,980 --> 00:51:19,480 okay we got that out of the way Eric you 991 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:22,990 were on the break you wanted you asked 992 00:51:27,450 --> 00:51:24,490 me about our bail what was the question 993 00:51:29,970 --> 00:51:27,460 yet yes not really I didn't know I'm 994 00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:29,980 wondering because I was an up Bill show 995 00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:31,990 two or three times in the past if he 996 00:51:40,049 --> 00:51:37,089 still alive he's doing great he is yes 997 00:51:40,739 --> 00:51:40,059 yes yes he is he's a little younger than 998 00:51:44,099 --> 00:51:40,749 you 999 00:51:47,370 --> 00:51:44,109 not much but he's out in Las Vegas at 1000 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:47,380 his home out there relaxing and he will 1001 00:51:55,319 --> 00:51:51,130 be back on the air in July and his show 1002 00:51:57,450 --> 00:51:55,329 will follow mine originally I came in to 1003 00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:57,460 sit in for him while he was on his break 1004 00:52:04,890 --> 00:52:01,119 but it looks like he wants the timeslot 1005 00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:04,900 after mine and he has said so and so we 1006 00:52:10,259 --> 00:52:07,599 yeah we will go back-to-back I'll it's 1007 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:10,269 like opening for the Beatles I'm the 1008 00:52:17,789 --> 00:52:14,890 opening act okay whatever I hear you and 1009 00:52:19,650 --> 00:52:17,799 I just realized you are brilliant you 1010 00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:19,660 are absolutely perfect it makes it 1011 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:21,609 pleasure you are well educated you 1012 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:23,650 studied the subject you are talking 1013 00:52:30,059 --> 00:52:26,650 about it's great to talk to you what you 1014 00:52:31,979 --> 00:52:30,069 have to understand one thing when when I 1015 00:52:36,569 --> 00:52:31,989 was younger when Chariots of the Gods 1016 00:52:39,569 --> 00:52:36,579 came out and and the book I begged my 1017 00:52:44,579 --> 00:52:39,579 parents to take me to go see that movie 1018 00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:44,589 and it it changed things there in life 1019 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:47,680 like you with Nazca and Peru right in 1020 00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:49,690 1964 there are certain things that 1021 00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:53,200 happened in your life that change you 1022 00:52:59,009 --> 00:52:56,319 and Chariots of the Gods did that for me 1023 00:53:01,170 --> 00:52:59,019 and it did and you did it for millions 1024 00:53:04,859 --> 00:53:01,180 of people and we certainly have to 1025 00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:04,869 congratulate you for that thank you okay 1026 00:53:09,329 --> 00:53:06,609 now now that we got all the Pat's in the 1027 00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:09,339 back out of the way I want to talk to 1028 00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:12,640 you about your theme park and what was 1029 00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:14,710 the motivation for doing that in 1030 00:53:21,150 --> 00:53:17,110 Switzerland where everybody is 1031 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:21,160 derivative you see I live in a place 1032 00:53:26,850 --> 00:53:24,130 called interlaken intellection is in the 1033 00:53:29,790 --> 00:53:26,860 middle of the mountains and it is an 1034 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:29,800 absolute big tourist place in summer and 1035 00:53:35,310 --> 00:53:32,410 in winter so I had the idea to make a 1036 00:53:38,940 --> 00:53:35,320 team part here with different patios and 1037 00:53:42,180 --> 00:53:38,950 in all the pavilions you should see a in 1038 00:53:43,530 --> 00:53:42,190 in modern in a modern sense for example 1039 00:53:48,570 --> 00:53:43,540 Stonehenge 1040 00:53:51,210 --> 00:53:48,580 gigantic or you see Nazca you fly over 1041 00:53:53,850 --> 00:53:51,220 Nazca and really not just in a movie 1042 00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:53,860 because you under beneath you you have a 1043 00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:56,650 glass bottom and you fly really over you 1044 00:54:00,930 --> 00:53:58,960 can look down so all these things in 1045 00:54:03,450 --> 00:54:00,940 Interlaken we opened the park a few 1046 00:54:04,530 --> 00:54:03,460 years ago and it went very good but 1047 00:54:06,420 --> 00:54:04,540 never in winter 1048 00:54:08,850 --> 00:54:06,430 in winter it was lousy they were 1049 00:54:12,330 --> 00:54:08,860 practically not much visitors so they 1050 00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:12,340 gave up the park in winter and since two 1051 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:15,160 years it's only open in summer it's in 1052 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:18,250 intellection Switzerland and especially 1053 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:21,130 when it's bad weather like today here we 1054 00:54:26,340 --> 00:54:24,250 go everyone goes to the park you can 1055 00:54:27,930 --> 00:54:26,350 stay a whole day with it it's not 1056 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:27,940 annoying it's fantastic how many 1057 00:54:35,550 --> 00:54:32,610 visitors do you get well normally about 1058 00:54:39,570 --> 00:54:35,560 250,000 a year could be more oh that's 1059 00:54:41,790 --> 00:54:39,580 huge that not so much could be more do 1060 00:54:45,210 --> 00:54:41,800 you think now any of do you think the 1061 00:54:51,450 --> 00:54:45,220 visitors that come to the park are they 1062 00:54:53,790 --> 00:54:51,460 aware of the ancient alien theory or do 1063 00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:53,800 they come there not knowing about it and 1064 00:55:00,300 --> 00:54:57,970 leaving educated well it's posed some of 1065 00:55:02,580 --> 00:55:00,310 them have no idea they just come because 1066 00:55:04,410 --> 00:55:02,590 it's bad weather and they ask at the 1067 00:55:06,270 --> 00:55:04,420 hotel reception what can we do here in 1068 00:55:07,770 --> 00:55:06,280 the mountains with bad weather and they 1069 00:55:10,770 --> 00:55:07,780 tell them go to the park and they have 1070 00:55:14,250 --> 00:55:10,780 no idea what what they expect there and 1071 00:55:16,650 --> 00:55:14,260 after it they are completely changed you 1072 00:55:19,860 --> 00:55:16,660 see I made all the texts for the park 1073 00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:19,870 and I was very very careful to always 1074 00:55:25,170 --> 00:55:23,680 end with question marks the part is not 1075 00:55:28,410 --> 00:55:25,180 the park where you have to believe 1076 00:55:30,430 --> 00:55:28,420 something it's not something which tell 1077 00:55:32,109 --> 00:55:30,440 you like a religion this 1078 00:55:34,690 --> 00:55:32,119 the way you have to look at it no on the 1079 00:55:38,380 --> 00:55:34,700 contrary it all ends with question mark 1080 00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:38,390 for example Nazca we give shortly every 1081 00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:40,880 scientific theory which means a few 1082 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:43,490 phrases professor X's death 1083 00:55:47,170 --> 00:55:45,650 professor Y Shay's death from Missha 1084 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:47,180 Maria right has a stellitita 1085 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:49,970 but it all ends with question marks so 1086 00:55:55,359 --> 00:55:52,730 it's a park to be astonished not the 1087 00:55:56,980 --> 00:55:55,369 park to believe at all these people who 1088 00:55:57,490 --> 00:55:56,990 visit the park who don't know nothing 1089 00:55:59,740 --> 00:55:57,500 about it 1090 00:56:01,720 --> 00:55:59,750 they are absolutely astonished at the 1091 00:56:03,849 --> 00:56:01,730 other house are the ones they want to 1092 00:56:05,980 --> 00:56:03,859 come here because they know this is a 1093 00:56:08,890 --> 00:56:05,990 Erich von Daniken's Park and we want to 1094 00:56:11,470 --> 00:56:08,900 see these shows do you hang out are you 1095 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:11,480 at the park every day and now no not 1096 00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:14,690 every day I have every month always at 1097 00:56:20,109 --> 00:56:17,359 the first Sunday in the month I have a 1098 00:56:22,029 --> 00:56:20,119 speech an open speech at the park which 1099 00:56:24,220 --> 00:56:22,039 by the way is free of entry don't have 1100 00:56:26,289 --> 00:56:24,230 to pay for it so and on my speech 1101 00:56:28,299 --> 00:56:26,299 normally in the path there are about 100 1102 00:56:33,309 --> 00:56:28,309 to 200 people but that's in German 1103 00:56:36,220 --> 00:56:33,319 language that's a problem I was 1104 00:56:38,620 --> 00:56:36,230 picturing you you know at the theme park 1105 00:56:42,220 --> 00:56:38,630 every day and greeting people and then 1106 00:56:44,019 --> 00:56:42,230 you just getting bombed by questions I 1107 00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:44,029 mean all day long I can only imagine 1108 00:56:48,490 --> 00:56:46,910 what that would have been like but yeah 1109 00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:48,500 that's that what that was that was the 1110 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:51,200 image that I had in my head okay okay 1111 00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:53,690 before I let you go one last quick 1112 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:00,079 question you are are you 80 yes next 1113 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:05,930 year born on April 14 1935 so next year 1114 00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:10,010 in the year 15 I am 80 years old but my 1115 00:57:15,730 --> 00:57:13,609 brain works as if I was young nothing 1116 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:15,740 has changed in my brain I'm very happy 1117 00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:19,010 you can tell too and I always hate the 1118 00:57:25,269 --> 00:57:22,910 GOP's love me what well I can only hope 1119 00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:25,279 that when I'm 80 that I'll be doing 1120 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:27,470 radio still and somebody would be 1121 00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:31,490 interested in in me but now at the age 1122 00:57:35,319 --> 00:57:32,089 of 80 1123 00:57:38,260 --> 00:57:35,329 are you still jumping on planes and 1124 00:57:41,049 --> 00:57:38,270 crawling through caves and researching 1125 00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:41,059 and investigating absolutely absolutely 1126 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:44,000 I still jumping on place on planes 1127 00:57:49,390 --> 00:57:46,850 into caves and whatever new discoveries 1128 00:57:53,110 --> 00:57:49,400 come up and I'm interested I go there I 1129 00:57:56,140 --> 00:57:53,120 must see it I must take my own mind I 1130 00:57:57,730 --> 00:57:56,150 must smell it I must feel it without 1131 00:57:59,830 --> 00:57:57,740 this I would never write about it 1132 00:58:01,930 --> 00:57:59,840 I must know the literature about it I 1133 00:58:04,810 --> 00:58:01,940 will know what the archaeological 1134 00:58:07,630 --> 00:58:04,820 archaeology community says to it before 1135 00:58:10,210 --> 00:58:07,640 I write about it I have to ask one 1136 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:10,220 question and I talk about it it seems 1137 00:58:12,430 --> 00:58:12,050 like every day on this show I mention it 1138 00:58:17,350 --> 00:58:12,440 once 1139 00:58:20,140 --> 00:58:17,360 have you been to gobekli tepe no I was 1140 00:58:23,170 --> 00:58:20,150 not there but I have very good pictures 1141 00:58:24,820 --> 00:58:23,180 from one of my friends I one of my 1142 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:24,830 friend close friends he's working for 1143 00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:27,050 our organization I first met he was not 1144 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:27,440 there 1145 00:58:34,750 --> 00:58:30,410 I've that's one of the one of the places 1146 00:58:37,590 --> 00:58:34,760 that I have to get to is gobekli tepe 1147 00:58:40,090 --> 00:58:37,600 for the research that you're doing and 1148 00:58:42,930 --> 00:58:40,100 and all of the theories out there in 1149 00:58:47,700 --> 00:58:42,940 lost civilizations this seems to be a 1150 00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:47,710 game changer a true key to answering I 1151 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:50,750 know about it it's not very big and 1152 00:58:56,290 --> 00:58:54,410 there are no hotels around there so it's 1153 00:58:58,540 --> 00:58:56,300 not a tourist place no it's so when you 1154 00:59:01,450 --> 00:58:58,550 go there you have probably to sleep in 1155 00:59:02,350 --> 00:59:01,460 tents or you make a long car right 1156 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:02,360 etcetera 1157 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:04,250 of course it's possible but it's not 1158 00:59:10,540 --> 00:59:07,010 very big though the whole archaeological 1159 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:10,550 site yeah it's not but the age of it I 1160 00:59:16,110 --> 00:59:13,610 just I again I talk about it every day 1161 00:59:18,700 --> 00:59:16,120 on this show and I need everybody to 1162 00:59:22,590 --> 00:59:18,710 just like you I need everybody to 1163 00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:22,600 understand exactly the significance of 1164 00:59:28,570 --> 00:59:25,490 something like gobekli tepe and if there 1165 00:59:30,790 --> 00:59:28,580 is a gobekli tepe then there are many 1166 00:59:31,530 --> 00:59:30,800 more out there just waiting to be 1167 00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:31,540 discovered 1168 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:34,640 that's exactly the point that's exactly 1169 00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:37,730 we will discover more and more and new 1170 00:59:44,530 --> 00:59:40,670 questions come up and we will learn much 1171 00:59:48,130 --> 00:59:44,540 more about our past and our future or do 1172 00:59:51,220 --> 00:59:48,140 you have an expedition planned no not at 1173 00:59:53,410 --> 00:59:51,230 the moment I'm going to Colombia next 1174 00:59:55,780 --> 00:59:53,420 time they're in Colombia new 1175 00:59:57,950 --> 00:59:55,790 subterranean that places have been 1176 01:00:00,970 --> 00:59:57,960 discovered and I will 1177 01:00:03,859 --> 01:00:00,980 they inject ember so when you get back 1178 01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:03,869 from Colombia I would like to invite you 1179 01:00:08,180 --> 01:00:05,609 back on the show and tell us about what 1180 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:08,190 you find okay it's a great question for 1181 01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:08,970 me thank you 1182 01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:10,740 we will meet anyhow in August somewhere 1183 01:00:17,410 --> 01:00:13,920 yes where we will have a cigarette and 1184 01:00:23,570 --> 01:00:17,420 hang out in Josh are you still a smoker 1185 01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:23,580 I'm ashamed well you know that's where 1186 01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:25,680 this voice comes from so there you go 1187 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:29,250 exactly raquan daniken thank you very so 1188 01:00:35,780 --> 01:00:32,490 much sir it was a great pleasure and I 1189 01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:35,790 will see you in about one month okay 1190 01:00:41,210 --> 01:00:38,160 have a great great thank you for your 1191 01:00:43,609 --> 01:00:41,220 questions it was a pleasure for me to be 1192 01:00:46,450 --> 01:00:43,619 a neutral I'll talk to you soon thank 1193 01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:46,460 you sir bye bye 1194 01:00:52,220 --> 01:00:48,900 erich von daniken 1195 01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:52,230 thank you sir live from Switzerland 1196 01:00:56,510 --> 01:00:53,460 sounded pretty good too 1197 01:00:59,960 --> 01:00:56,520 you wouldn't think that he was what I 1198 01:01:03,440 --> 01:00:59,970 don't know 9,000 miles away and we'll be 1199 01:01:05,570 --> 01:01:03,450 seeing Eric in about a month at contact 1200 01:01:08,770 --> 01:01:05,580 in the desert Wow 1201 01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:08,780 sensational all right now coming up next 1202 01:01:15,770 --> 01:01:12,359 I'm going to talk to you about the 1203 01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,780 Dyatlov pass incident got some graphics 1204 01:01:21,530 --> 01:01:17,280 I have some images 1205 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:21,540 I interviewed cousin Andre who was here 1206 01:01:27,650 --> 01:01:25,410 this week from Russia and he came into 1207 01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:27,660 the studio here and sat down with us for 1208 01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:30,510 a minute and we shot some video it's 1209 01:01:36,770 --> 01:01:33,210 pretty cool and we'll be getting that 1210 01:01:39,710 --> 01:01:36,780 out very soon but these are some audio 1211 01:01:43,609 --> 01:01:39,720 excerpts of the session that I did with 1212 01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:43,619 Andre not only that but we went and did 1213 01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:45,330 a special report got a bunch of 1214 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:48,540 information together stuff that we had 1215 01:01:53,089 --> 01:01:50,970 to translate from Russian into English 1216 01:01:54,940 --> 01:01:53,099 and you're just not gonna hear this 1217 01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:54,950 anywhere else 1218 01:02:00,280 --> 01:01:58,130 and we think we've uncovered some new 1219 01:02:00,819 --> 01:02:00,290 evidence is it the end-all we don't know 1220 01:02:02,380 --> 01:02:00,829 yet 1221 01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:02,390 this is fade to black in the dark matter 1222 01:02:06,910 --> 01:02:04,480 radio network I'm your host Jimmy Church 1223 01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:06,920 we'll be back right after this stay with 1224 01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:32,670 hey vivica box here and you are 1225 01:02:41,130 --> 01:02:35,110 listening to my boy Jimmy Church 1226 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:41,140 Jimmy Church radio.com this my popular